EA’s president of labels Frank Gibeau confirmed at Gamescom this week that he has seen Sony’s PlayStation 4 and Xbox 720.

“I’ve seen both of them,” the executive said at the conference.

“Ten years ago we used to measure our market in terms of 200 million people. Now we are at a billion people playing games and we have a straight line view on 2 billion.”

Sony has yet to announce the PS4, though it is believed to be released at E3 next year and will hit shelves in 2014.